Subtlety Rogue

Subtlety talents

The 19 talents of the Subtlety tree in the beta, row by row. Each one opens its own page: what every rank does, its requirements and what changes from Classic.

• CamouflageRow 1 · 5 ranksMoved
• Master of DeceptionRow 1 · 3 ranksChanged
• OpportunityRow 1 · 2 ranksChanged
• SetupRow 2 · 3 ranksMoved
• ElusivenessRow 2 · 2 ranksChanged
• Dirty TricksRow 2 · 2 ranksNew
• Improved AmbushRow 2 · 3 ranksMoved
• InitiativeRow 3 · 3 ranksChanged
• Ghostly StrikeRow 3 · 1 rankChanged
• Improved DistractRow 3 · 2 ranksNew
• Heightened SensesRow 4 · 2 ranksMoved
• PremeditationRow 4 · 1 rankMoved
• Serrated BladesRow 4 · 3 ranksChanged
• Dirty DeedsRow 5 · 2 ranksMoved
• PreparationRow 5 · 1 rank
• HemorrhageRow 5 · 1 rankMoved
• QuietusRow 6 · 5 ranksNew
• CutthroatRow 6 · 5 ranksNew
• Thousand CutsRow 7 · 1 rankNew

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What changes in Forever

What is new and changed for Subtlety compared with Classic Era: our change list, its talent tree and its abilities.

In our change list

BCHANGEDBug fix

Sap

· General

Forever

Correctly flags the rogue for PvP when used on PvP-flagged targets.

Build 1.60.1.70009Copy link

New talents

• Dirty Tricks

  Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 50%.

• Improved Distract

  Increases the radius of your Distract ability by 5 yds, and further reduces the Stealth detection of distracted enemies as though they were an additional 2 levels lower.

• Quietus

  Your Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities cause 10% more damage against targets below 35% health.

• Cutthroat

  Your Backstab has a 15% chance to cause your next Ambush within 10 sec to not require Stealth.

• Thousand Cuts

  When your Rupture ability deals periodic damage, the Energy cost of your next Hemorrhage or Backstab ability within 10 sec is reduced by 3, stacking up to 5 times.

Changed or moved talents

• CamouflageChanges: position, text, numbers.
• Master of DeceptionChanges: ranks, text, numbers.
• OpportunityChanges: ranks, text, numbers.
• SetupChanges: position, text, numbers.
• ElusivenessChanges: text, numbers.
• Improved AmbushChanges: position.
• InitiativeChanges: text, numbers.
• Ghostly StrikeChanges: text, numbers.
• Heightened SensesChanges: position, text, numbers.
• PremeditationChanges: position, text, numbers.
• Serrated BladesChanges: text, numbers.
• Dirty DeedsChanges: position, text.
• HemorrhageChanges: position, text, numbers.

Removed talents

• Sleight of Hand
• Improved Sap
• Deadliness

Changed abilities

• SapChanges: tooltip.
• Ghostly StrikeChanges: tooltip.
• DistractChanges: tooltip.
• PremeditationChanges: level, tooltip.
• HemorrhageChanges: ranks, tooltip.

Subtlety abilities

The 13 abilities the beta spellbook groups under Subtlety, by the level they are learned at. Each one opens its own page with its ranks, cost and changes.

• StealthLv. 1
• Pick PocketLv. 4
• SapLv. 10
• Ghostly StrikeTalentLv. 20
• DistractLv. 22
• VanishLv. 22
• Detect TrapsLv. 24
• PremeditationTalentLv. 25
• Disarm TrapLv. 30
• HemorrhageTalentLv. 30
• PreparationTalentLv. 30
• BlindLv. 34
• Safe FallLv. 40

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Subtlety best-in-slot (BiS) gear

The site’s suggestion, not an official list: we score the beta items with our stat weights for each level. The beta is capped at level 30.

Races that can be a Rogue

The races that can pick the class in WoW Forever. The ones marked new are combinations Classic did not have.

HumanDwarfNight ElfGnomeOrcUndeadTrollSSkyborne (Alliance)NewSSkyborne (Horde)New

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More on the Rogue

Talents and abilities: beta client (build 1.60.1.70205), compared with Classic Era 1.15.9.69722. BiS: the site’s stat weights.